Madbean Turnabout (JHS @/MI Audio Crunchbox)
8:23 PMLet's build the Madbean Turnabout (a.k.a. JHS Andy Timmons clone). I got the chance to play the JHS @ (Andy Timmons) at the Chicago Music Exchange a while back and it sounded pretty freaking good. It had a nice, thick overdrive/distortion and the clipping options made pretty drastic changes which was cool. So when a vero layout based on the pedal showed up, I knew I had to make it. I'll go through the fairly simple circuit theory that this pedal uses and then quickly go over my process for building this pedal. Lastly, I'll say a couple words about how knowing the theory behind this pedal helped me to troubleshoot an issue I had.
Please note: the circuit used here is from the Madbean Turnabout which is similar to, but not exactly the same as the JHS @. There are only two significant differences which I'll point out as they come up.
The Theory
Something I like about this circuit is that it's pretty straightforward from a theory standpoint. Nothing crazy, just basic building blocks that result in great tone. We'll be using the schematic from the Madbean website for this but taking it one block at a time. I've gone ahead and marked up a copy of the schematic based one what the blocks are for our analysis here:Power Section
This is a pretty standard power section. The 100uF and 10uF caps do some DC filtering to get rid of residual ripple from the power supply. A pair of 22k resistors forms a voltage divider to bias the op-amps for the signal path.1st Gain Stage
The first gain stage is very simple. It's a standard non-inverting op-amp configuration like you might see in a Tubescreamer. The difference here is that it doesn't include diodes in the feedback look for clipping. A low pass filter, centered at 723.8Hz is made with R5 (1k) and C4 (220nF) which could be fun to play with in order to change up how the mid frequencies are affected.If you look at the gain range for this section, then using the equation for a non-inverting op-amp we get 2 at the low end and 101 with the drive knob all the way up.
2nd Gain Stage
The second gain stage is another basic building block. It's set up in an inverting op-amp configuration. In this case R6 and R7 set the gain for this stage at 100. Nothing super fancy is happening here, you could tweak those resistors to mess with the gain but it's probably not worth doing since you already have the gain knob in the first stage.Note: The coupling capacitor, C7, is different between the Madbean and JHS pedals. In the JHS version this is a 2.2uF cap as opposed to the 1uF in this circuit.
Clipping Options
The clipping options on this pedal are pretty cool. The pedal uses an on-off-on SPST toggle switch. In the center position the contacts of the switch don't connect. Since the LEDs are outside of the switch, they are able to conduct and clip the signal. When the switch goes to either of the other two positions, the diodes and/or MOSFETs have a lower clipping threshold than the LEDs so they conduct and clip the signal instead of the diodes.Note: This is just how the Madbean Turnabout configures it. Changing clipping diodes is a great way to achieve new sounds from a circuit. The JHS Andy Timmons has a similar 3 way toggle, but they use LEDs for their 50W mode, BAT41 diodes for the 25W mode, and no diodes for their 100W mode. You can try all sorts of combinations with your own setup. Just make sure they have lower forward voltages than whatever the combination in your middle position is or the middle position will start clipping first.
Tone Controls & Output Stage
Then there's a really basic volume control at the output which is simple a potentiometer set up as a voltage divider. The schematic and layout shown here calls for a 100KB pot but I'd highly recommend a 100KA for a better sweep.
Summary
The Build
For this one I decided to go ahead and use veroboard. You can fab your own board from the Madbean site if you'd like, but I had some extra vero laying around so I figured that would be faster and easier for me. I used the layout from tagboardeffects as seen here:I went with my usual procedure for building a very layout:
- Cut board to size
- Cut traces
- Add in links
- Resistors, diodes, sockets
- Small caps (MCC, film)
- Large caps (box and electrolytic)
- Offboard wiring to pots and switches
Here's a picture of my vero part way through.
You'll notice that there's two layers of sockets where some of the diodes go. That's because I'll break off the sockets I need and stick them onto a larger piece to keep them in line with each other when I solder them.
Troubleshooting
References
- Op-amp equations - http://www.electronics-tutorials.ws/opamp/opamp_8.html
9 comments
Nice explanation. I built the Super Crunch Box variant, which is almost the same. It has a 9v/18v switch, which works wonders with this circuit.
ReplyDeleteThanks! I'm actually building a second one right now with a 9V/18V toggle to test out the differences. What have you noticed with yours?
DeleteOn the Crunch box, the middle clipping option is bypassed, so it should be even cleaner at low gain. I use it mostly for high gain rhythms, where 18v gives the palm muting a more dynamic amp type feel.
DeleteThey describe the 9v as "compressed" compared to 18v.
If you're building a second one, you may want to look at the clipping options on the Crunch Boxes and the Suhr Riot, as it's very close too.
I may build a second with a rotary clipping switch to fit all of them.
Wait, this is our waiting list
DeleteAlex, Super Crunch Box? How you trace real circuit? Afaik, nobody (re)traced that.
Cool to share schemo?
Rock On!
It was a while ago and I now see that it was just someone's assumption, and not a verified 100% clone, sorry. It may have been figured out elsewhere by now, or even the newer 3 band version.
Delete18volts makes a positive difefrence, and the gain and clipping switches work great.
I'm still a big fan of this circuit and have since made a Riot Reloaded and Barber Dirty Bomb, which you should check out.
These are the old links I had, but there may be updates, I hope:
https://forum.orangeamps.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=53571&sid=eacb6f6de8267dcfbdf6eb219362528b
http://guitar-fx-layouts.42897.x6.nabble.com/Super-Crunch-Box-td18811.html
http://freestompboxes.org/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=27224&p=276294&hilit=super+crunchbox#p276294
ah, you almost make me hold my breath.
DeleteSame here, still fans of crunchbox. Just give CB plus TS, im good. Imho, riot just derivative, and not that good as CB. I build Dirty bomb from Jokerx layout, dunno where is that now. Hahaha.
Rather than DB, i prefer Morpheus. Very regret sell my first in perf. Next build never same sound and feel. The new owner out of reach to shoot gutshot.
Btw, do you know e530 in a box pedal?
It's been a couple of years, but here's a verified clone:
Deletehttps://www.pedalpcb.com/product/crunchcaptaindeluxe/
Hi,
ReplyDeletethe 10k tone control is a linear taper (B), not a C taper (I checked with an original). There are no MOSFETs in the clipping section, just disconnected diodes/LEDs in the central position of the switch.
Cheers!
That would definitely explain some of the tonal differences between the Madbean circuit and the actual JHS pedal. I'll have to try out those mods. Thanks for the heads up.
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